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Starting out now - what are the essentials?

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This discussion has been a big help to me yes for us here in southern Philippines we do not have an expert on chocolate making, so we are on our own and thanks to the internet we get a glimpse of what should a chocolate artisan should have. We have been growing cacao for at least 30 years and our only product aside from beans is the traditional pure chocolate tablets molded by hand. It is used in making hot chocolate and chocolate rice porridge (in our dialect champorado). Tempering is foreign to us so I have really to learn the craft. Thanks a lot for you guys1

Starting out now - what are the essentials?

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I am so glad to be surrounded by such a generous group of people.Some of you guys have been on the road for a while and have a lot of experience. Still, when a newbie ask such a basic question, you are open and helpful.Thank you!

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Hi Langdon Stevenson.Thank you for the info.I started my first chocolate training this past Monday, so we've been tempering like crazy and all by hand. I like it a lot, honestly, but I also know it will become "old" after a while - and, as you said, depending on the quantities I start working with.I still need to do some more research on tempering machines - the feedback I've heard so far have not been great...probably because the people I've been listening to are also newbies to the subject.

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Nice job all round then. Premises can be one of the hardest things to get (expensive if you are renovating, or doing it yourself). Sharing is a great idea if the hours suit. I was in Melbourne in the 90's, but moved north following work. Ask your partner if she knows where a number 6 tram goes from and to - that will give you a good idea of where I used to live and work ...

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Thanks for the feedback Devil, much appreciated. Necessity is the mother of invention and it sounds like you have come up with a pretty neat and affordable solution for tempering.

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Hi Devil, can you tell us how big a batch you can temper? When you say manual, do you use a jacketed pot and automatic stirrer/scraper, or is it all by hand?

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Hi Andre, these things don't necessarily have to be expensive. With tasks like cooling and tempering, the most important thing is to understand what the tool is doing and how. This is just some basic chemistry that will have been explained by people like Minifie and Beckett (who have published books on the subject). So start with some study and research to get a grip on what is going on.Once you understand that, you can look around for cheaper, or free alternatives. Often other industries have very similar equipment that is available cheaply second hand and can be adapted. You may even find that you can do things like tempering by hand, or partly by hand (of course this is dependent on the quantities that you are working with).

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Thank you. The IR thermometer is absolutely on the top of my list! Chocolate refrigerator? ai ai ai...this thing is going to get expensive!

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I should move the "sense of adventure" to the top of my list.Thanks. Great tips.

Starting out now - what are the essentials?

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Chocolate melterTemperer (optional)IR Thermometer (I think it is essential...)Chocolate Refrigerator with a fanMolds (if you're doing molding)Ganache frames and/or caramel rulersetc. etc. etc.Bon courage!

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I've noticed many here are already experienced chocolate makers, so I apologize for the very basic question.I started my first chocolate training this past Monday and I am absolutely excited about this new world that is opening up for me.I want to start small, learn slowly and create beautiful, tasty chocolate (like everyone else, I guess). But I am not sure I understand what I really need to get started from home.What would be the essential tools to get started?This is what I think I need:- Couverture chocolate- Bowls- Pans- Rubber or wooden spatula- Thermometer- Gloves- Cocoa powder, cocoa nibs, etc (to cover the truffles, for instance)What else? Am I missing something critical? I know there is a lot more to it, but I want to get started sooner than later.Thank you,Andre CostaChocolatier-to-be
updated by @Andre Costa: 04/11/25 09:27:36

THE BEST of.....CHOCOLATE - my favorites

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My favorite chocolate is Charbonnel et. Walker, the pink champagne truffles.

THE BEST of.....CHOCOLATE - my favorites

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Hi Peter, Have to say this is a great list. Is there any place to get Dominique Persoone here in the US? I'm going to try and check off your list. I was able to try ROYCE here from www.royceusa.com - tastes very different and unique from the European style chocs, but definitely a notch above Japanese confectionery.

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my FAVORITES:1) CHOCOLATE LINE, Brugge, Belgium, www.dominiquepersoone.be/ For me the best Overall Chocolatier of the World2) PIERRE MARCOLINI, Brussels, Belgium, www.marcolini.be/EN/accueil.html Praline & Caramel Spread, really awesome pralines3) GUIDO GOBBINO, Turin, Italy- www.guidogobino.it/e_index.htm Milk,Gianduja & White Chocolate Bars with toasted Piemont Hazelnuts4) JACQUES TORRES, New York, U.S.A., www.mrchocolate.com Milk Chocolate with Hazelnuts, Chocolate Powder for Hot Chocolate5) ROYCE Chocolate, Hokkaido, JAPAN - avail.TOKYO Narita AirportUnique Mousse ChocolateSoon some more informations and photos
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ICE - Institute Of Culinary Education (New York City)

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Well, you are probably taking a better approach. I've never made chocolate in my life until yesterday night! I guess I want to start as a blank slate and go from there.Good luck to you, as well.

ICE - Institute Of Culinary Education (New York City)

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Hi Andre,I will take a course but later, after I've made all the dumb mistakes that everyone probably makes when starting out. The hope is that it will sink in better that way! Good luck with it.Duffy

ICE - Institute Of Culinary Education (New York City)

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I started my first chocolate class yesterday at ICE in Manhattan. It is going to be an intensive one week program, from 5pm to 11pm every day! phew!I just wanted to share my good news with you guys and ask whether there is anyone in this group that is also taking that class?Has anyone taken the class as an introduction to chocolate?Thanks,Andre
updated by @Andre Costa: 04/10/15 03:06:49

Source of Small Scale Cacao Processing Equipments

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Hi!

Dou you also have small scale cocoa butter presses?

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hello! patrick,

are you still looking for small scale equipment? you can email me.

thanks!

cesar

l_cezar@ymail.com

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good day stephen,

are you still interested in a small scale processing equipment? if yes pls. contact me may email add.

l_cezar@ymail.com i can help you. thanks!

cezar lim

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Mohiddin:

1000 MT of beans will result in something around 750-800 MT of liquor which will then be pressed into butter and powder. That means processing something like 3.4-3.6 MT of liquor per day (assuming 220 working days per year).

This is industrial-scale production and cannot be done (let alone be done cost effectively) using small scale equipment. I would be really surprised if you could purchase the equipment for less than US$500,000 before shipping, import duties, and installation costs. It might be closer to US$1 million. You might be able to save money by buying used equipment, but I would be extremely careful about making sure that everything actually worked. I have heard too many horror stories.

As much as anything, this is a materials-handling problem. Storing, cleaning, and moving around that quantity of beans, liquor, butter, press cake, and powder is non-trivial. You are going to want professional assistance from a company that specializes in producing equipment that operates at this scale.

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Langdon:

Any idea what the total cost of the system is likely to be in USD? How many of the production steps below will the system you're building handle?

Clean
Roast
Crack/Winnow
Grind/Refine

cocoa butter pressing

cocoa powder

We aretargetingto process cocoa beans for 1000 mt per year.

Reallyappreciate details of your plant and the costs involved.

It isratherurgent..Can you send details to ghouse8@gmail.com?

Regards

Ghouse Mohiddin

Hyderabad

India

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Hi Bent,

that's a cool bunch of toys!!! i like the roaster and i find the grinder very interesting!

Together with cocoaTown melanger it would make the perfect chocolte lab or a chocolate factory for the Smurfs!!!

An amazing tool for educational use as well!

What is the price of both? can you send me a quote to antonino@cocoafair.com

updated by @antonino allegra: 09/07/15 15:08:24

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Hi, Am from Uganda, Africa and growing cocoa however i want to add bean to bar in my business and i have a budget of 40,000 USD. Any one who can link me to a smal scale processing equipment? send me pictures too.

Regards, Stephen

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Hi Langdon,This is Juan Pablo Bchert, we are a small Farm in Costa Rica (40.000 Kg of beans/year). I wonder if your system is already complete. We are interested in developing a small scale industrial process (liquor, butter and powder, for chocolate we shall see).Best Regards (juanbuchert@gmail.com)

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hi langdon,since this is an old thread I hope you'll know about my little comment here;)I stumbled upon this conversation while looking for just the type of chocolate producing machinery you describe -small scale, starting from the bean, yet complete to get a really nice result.so, if you still can offer this kind of machinery, I would love to know more about it and receive some detalled information, prices, etc.hope to hear from you soon~sibylle

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It is a handmade laboratory roaster for 100-300 grams, made entirely of stainless steel.

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Holy Moly......How many lbs does it roast at one time again?

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Hi Kerry,the roaster is US$5,650 ex Works, Lima, Peru. If you are interested in a formal quote with including cost of transport to you, please let me know, stating destination?Regards,Bent

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So cute - everyone needs a toy like that! Wonder what they cost?

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that is one cute roaster

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Hi all, Peru produces excellent cocoa machinery. Mainly large scale from drying process on, however, we have just developed a Cocoa Lab equipment consisting of sample dryer, size sorter, sample roaster (100-300 grams/batch), grinder/refiner to 18-22micron in one pass. We are also working on presses and we have a very cost effective pulverizer for cocoa cake. Any questions welcome at ventasrpd@imsacafe.comalso look at LAB CACAO.wmv

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HI,great forum everybody. We are a Chocolate based Cafe in ISrael, and we are very happy there is a place where ideas can be shared. www.chocolatte.co.il

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Hi Langdon,Can you contact us with information about you equipment. We are located in Solomon Islands and looking for small scale equipment and potential business partnersYou can contact us at www.soltrad.net

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Hi ErnestoThanks for your interest. Sorry for my lack of clarity. Yes, we are aiming for under USD $1000 per kg per week. We expect that whole system should allow two people to produce at least 50kg of finished chocolate from a weeks labour, however, it may be possible (with more labour) to produce more. The cocoa butter press for instance could consume up to 150kgs of cocoa liquor per day, capacities can be very hard to match. So the complete system should cost somewhere round USD $50,000. How much product you can squeeze through is then up to you and how much energy you put into it Note that this system is not currently complete, it is in development. So a final price and specification is still some months away.Regards,Langdon

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Ernesto:If you have not already, you might want to look into Kiva.org. They provide microfinancing to businesses all over the world.:: Clay

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Hi Langdon,Wow this is great! First is the 50 to 150kg per week in raw beans per week? We are currently roasting at 65kg raw beans per day. Do I get it right that you have a system for the process Clay described that would cost us about 65,000 USD for a 65 kg per day capacity? Please clarify.And also we are very much interested on your microfinance or leasing scheme. Could you give us a complete proposal so we can think over it? Would you consider barter system of payment where we could supply you of our finished products?Im looking forward to reading your reply.Jun

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Hi Clay,No final figure yet, but, I think that US$1,000 per kilogram is likely.The system will be covering all of the steps listed above (as well as pressing cocoa butter), but capable of being deployed in segments as well. Some of the applications in the South Pacific will only require the first four steps.Langdon

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Langdon:Any idea what the total cost of the system is likely to be in AUD? How many of the production steps below will the system you're building handle?CleanRoastCrack/WinnowGrind/RefineConcheTemperDeposit/MoldThanks,:: Clay

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PS - I note in the Hershey thread that you mentioned extracting cocoa butter, we are currently prototyping a micro hydraulic press for cocoa butter extraction (processing up to 150kgs of liquor per day) as part of our system.

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Hi Ernesto,This sounds like a really exciting project. Love to hear more details about your farm and your plans.I am working with another company here in Australia to put together a complete set of machinery for small scale production (approximately 50 to 150kg per week capacity). The aim is to operate these plants in various South Pacific nations, so this might be suited to your situation. There are a few questions to ask though, probably the most important (as Duffy alluded to) is what is your budget?The company that I am working with are considering various micro-finance and leasing arrangements to help make this system affordable to small groups, so perhaps we can offer some options to you.Do you have a market in mind for your finished product? It may be possible to tie you in with our partners trading system.Regards,Langdon

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Hi Ernesto,Once you have a list of equipment that will be suitable (regarding size, capacity and so on) keep an eye on the auction sites and you may find things turn up for you. There is an argument for buying new so that the equipment is less likely to let you down - your call I guess.Maybe you could trade beans for equipment if cash flow is a problem? That might appeal to companies/people that are upgrading.Rgds,Duffy